Regular Production Models [in ascending numerical order of styles] [
from "9039" through "9057" - Miscellaneous ]
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| 9039 | #3 |
5270100 | (1938)
This one was for sale in 1983. Terry Wenger identified it as this body style and
number. It belonged to the late Stanley Long of Seattle, WA. He always registered it in
the directories as a Formal Sedan, but it really was a "Formal Town Sedan". It
had a division window and was owned by the owner of Matson Ship Lines in CA. Currently
(3/2006) it is owned by Al Sandin of Palm Springs, CA and is for sale. It is probably a
one-of a-kind 9039 as it has a division window and a leather top.
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9039 |
#8 |
5270178 |
(1938) This information is from the current owner (2002), CLC member Terry Wenger. Terry was a great help to me in identifying some of the cars listed here. This one was shipped originally to Don Lee Cadillac in CA. It was Chantel blue (combination #8). As near as its present owner can determine, it was owned in the Lodi, CA area and was serviced in Placerville, CA. It was re-painted black, probably in the 50's. One owner, Ben R. Taylor of Reno, NV, sold this car to Charles Jones of CA. Gordon Nixon of Saskatchewan, Canada owned it in 1976. Around 1986 it was brought back to Wyoming then to Indiana where Terry owner bought it. It was nearly complete but needs a total restoration, which is now under way. It came with a second, bare engine block #5270124. |
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| 9039 | #9 | 5270187 | (1938) The original engine was #5270137; it was replaced by the current engine. CLC member, Brad Ipsen, the present owner [February, 2000] acquired it in 1996. It was originally shipped to Columbus, OH and then diverted to Central Cadillac in Milwaukee, WI. It was shipped on December 31, 1937 and apparently was not built to order and had no special equipment. The car was originally painted Fairhaven Blue (light blue) and was subsequently stripped on all outside surfaces and repainted a dark blue (Antoinette Blue?). In view of the quality of the work, probably it was done either when the car was new or shortly thereafter. It may have been painted the darker hue to ensure a sale. It was formerly owned by a gentleman in Canada. The front clip had been removed as was also the engine. The current owner suspects that these parts were used to make a non-authentic car (V-8 convertible) or repair another one. Correct V-16, non side-mount fenders were reinstalled, as well as the correct grille. The original hood was still in place. All other parts were not correct on the front clip. This car was missing many parts and is in very bad condition. The new owner is in the process of restoring it [it would be interesting if a car with engine serial #5270137 ever showed up again!] |
| 9039 | #10 |
5270016 | (1938)
C. Houston, Jr., MI [CLC Directory, 2002] who has owned it for many years; he told
me he had swapped a restored '40 La Salle 52 sedan for it.
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| 9039 | #17 |
5270283 | (1938) In the early sixties, the owner was listed as L.H. Diamond of Colorado Springs, CO. This one was for sale in Hemmings last summer by Odyssey Motors in MN. The car was in CA in 2003 and was owned by Wm. Verhulst, according to Terry. Late etxra (3/2007): the car was acquired at the end of 2005 by Rick Tarnutzer who was going to undertake a full restoration. |
| 9039 | #7 |
5270036 | (1939)
Enthusiast Terry Wenger recognized this car as belonging to Robert
Gossieaux of Belgium, in 2003.
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| 9039 | #6 |
5270052 | (1938)
Seen in Self Starter for March, 2004 (p.21), the car was said to belong to CLC
member Herb Lewenthal. Terry Wenger says it is currently [2007] owned by Gateway
Canyons Auto Museum ain Gateway, CO.
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| 9053 | #3 | 5270176 |
(1938) According to my dear friend, Katie Robbins, who has owned the car since 1964, the first owner was a lumber baron in the American north-west. Later it was acquired by a doctor in Iowa, then by Jack Tallman, another friend and Cadillac dealer in Decatur, IL. He sold it to Katie, who lives in Dearborn, MI. I was honored to be driven in it - with Katie at the wheel - in 1978! I took the photo below (left) in 1994, while on a visit to Detroit for a book project that never materialized. This survivor appears on the late Bill Tite's listing, but without the body number. |
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| 9053 | #4 | 5270174 | (1938) Was owned by the late Roy Warshawsky, IL. |
| 9053 | #5 | 5270279 | (1938) J. Muricy, Brazil [CLC Directory, 2002] |
| 9053 | #7 | 5270275 |
(1938) According to Terry Wenger, this car was owned formerly by movie mogul, Darryl Zanuck, then by renowned collector, Otis Chandkler and now by Gary Glazier, WA. It was originally green and fits the description of car #1 [engine #5270174], above. It is pictured in CCCA Bulletin #3, April 2002. It is listed also in the CLC Directory for 2002. Cadillac aficionado, Jeff Stork [1938 V-16, style 9019 #36, above], wrote: The car was originally a rather bright green with a dark green top. It passed into the hands of 20th Century Fox and the current owner has California registrations from 1947 and 48 to verify. From there, it went to the Movieworld [Cars of the Stars] Auto Museum in Buena Park, where outdoor storage ruined the paint and top, so it was repainted black and a black top fitted. There are thin spots in the paint where the bright green may still be seen. The current owner says that the car has a 4-page build sheet with many special features such as green tinted rear interior hardware, and both rear radio and smoking set, one stacked over the other. The interior is in good original condition. After the Movieworld auction, it passed through the LaRue Thomas collection in Los Angeles and another owner, before Otis Chandler. |
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| 9053 | #8 | 5270300 |
(1938) [special fastback, special top material] At the time the late Bill Tite prepared his list of survivors, in the early sixties, this one was owned by Ed Ray Smith of Valley Stream, Long Island, NY. It was seen in the Self-Starter for Nov.-Dec. 1967, p.9. At that time it was owned by the late Dave Ficken of Babylon, Long Island (NY). It was Jay Friedman ['49 fastback coupe] who informed me, in March 2000, that Dave had passed on; he believes the car is still around. Terry Wenger told me in Fall 2003 that Dave had replaced this car's original engine with #5270201 from a style 9023 (car #41, above) that he previously owned. Dave's widow, still owns the car. |
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| 9053 | #11 | 5270310 | (1938) In his book Fleetwood - The Company and the Coachcraft, writer James J. Schild mentions a 1938 V-16 Town Car as having been delivered to the Vatican for use by the Pope". I believe Jim is referring, in error, to the car below. The original owner was not H.H. the Pope but Italian Countess Rosario de Larrechea de Schiffner. She paid $7620 cash for it in 1938. The engine number is listed in error on the shipping documents as #3270310; that is a V-8 engine serial number assigned to the Series 75 cars. The Countess' car was painted Antoinette blue; it was first shipped to General Motors Near East, S.A., in Alexandria, Egypt. From there it was shipped, unboxed, to Naples, Italy, aboard the S.S. Excalibur that sailed on August 24, 1938. From there it was delivered [probably driven] to the Countess' "home" at the Hotel Ritz in Paris. The Countess used it regularly for trips between her Ritz apartment home and Rome, where her two daughters lived. When she passed on in 1948, her daughters donated the town car to a family friend, Cardinal Spellman, later of New York. He left it at the Vatican, in the Holy See, where it is said to have been used on occasion by H.H. Pope Pius XII. It was acquired in the fifties by Valerio Moretti, of Rome (see Self-Starter, Jan. 1967, p.12), then/and (???) by Nicola Bulgari of jewelry fame, also of Rome. Subsequently it was acquired by Noel Lambert, head of a trucking company and owner of the former old car museum at St. Marcel-les-Valence, south of Lyon, in France. In the mid-eighties, harassed by the new socialist regime in French, he closed his museum and sold the V-16 to Swiss collector, a Mr. Amman from Aarau. Subsequently it was acquired at auction, in Geneva, Switzerland, by a French auto dealer, J.-F. Dumontant. The [Christies's?] auction catalog listed it as a 1939 Cadillac V16 Series 90 Ceremonial Town Car from the Vatican, used by Pope Pius XII; it was said to have been one of the last cars built in 1939 and that a sister chassis [V16?] went to Harry Truman when he became the 33rd US President [that was in April, 1945, so perhaps the reference is to the two White House security cars, both built on a 1938 V-16 chassis?]. The catalog stated further that ...The first ten years' history of this car is unknown... although said history has been fully documented since the sixties and I supplied it to Mr. Lambert at the time. In addition, it is stated that ...it was then delivered to The Vatican City in Rome during 1949 for ceremonial purposes with His Holiness Pope Pius XII ["they" delivered a USED car to H.H. the Pope???] and ...Upon the death of Pope Pius XII in 1957 [in fact he died in October, 1958] the car was used by one of the Cardinals and then gracefully retired into the Vatican Museum [all typical inaccurate hype to sell am "interesting" car]. Mr. D. told me he had bought the V-16 from Bulgari, circa 1988, but at that time it was owned already by Mr. Lambert. Mr. D. advertized the car for a while as a 1939 model, at a price of FFr.700,000 (circa $180,000); at that time it was located near Toulouse. It has since returned to the USA and was seen at Hershey in October, 2000, with a PA phone number on the windshield. I called that number, October 12, but I guess from the tone of the person who answered the phone that it was the wrong day and the wrong time for me to call. However, my call was later returnedl and we had a long conversation about the car; it is still a low-mileage original. In Jan. 2001, it was acquired by Richard BeGuhn of Indianapolis, IN. Dick called me February 3, 2001 and we had a long chat about this car and others he has owned; in fact, two of these are mentioned in the Dream Cars section of this Cadillac Database. BTW, I was surprised when Mr. BeGuhn published the story of this car in the CCCA's The Classic Car [Winter 2001 issue] without acknowleding nor even mentioning that I had kindly supplied him with the bulk of the documents, photos and information published by him. More photos of the so-called Vatican V-16 can be found on this page. The car was last heard of (in 2006) in Missouri where it was owned by the late John Berra. Aficionado and V-16 specialist, Terry Wenger, told me it might be for sale once again. Late extra [Nov., 2006]: the car was reported sold at a recent (2006) Kruse auction for $270,000 (a far throw from the $200 paid by Bulgari in 1966) ! |
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| 9053 | ? | ? |
(1938) This former MGM studio car [it is not the Zanuck car], was owned in the seventies by John Roget, of Bell Center, OH. In fact, this car could be the same as #4, above, owned by the late Roy Warshawsky, IL.. |
| 9053 | ? | ? |
(1938) Offered for sale by John Geary, in the Fall of 1959 ..., "returning to college, must sell, $1500" |
| 9053 | #4 | 5290107 |
(1939)
Reported at one time in Canada (possibly owned in the '60s by Louis Gravel, 347 Metcalfe Ave, Westmount, Quebec,
Canada) and later by R. Aubin, also of Quebec. It was offered for sale at Auburn, IN, Aug.-Sep. 1995 by the Kruse
auctioneers. Went to CA and was reported there in 2003 One
of only five built in 1939; reported to have a bar with an original crystal decanter, as
well as the original front and rear seat radios and the umbrella. In 2005, per Terry
Wenger, it was owned by Gen. Wm. Lyon, CA.5
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| 9053 | ? | ? | (1939) R. Kughn, sold at auction in 2002 for a reported $135,000. This one had a body-off restoration. It was built new for GM's Executive Branch (the original build sheet was included) |
| 9053 | #3 | 5290089 | (1939) G. Cochran, WA [CLC Directory, 2002] |
| 9053 | #1 | 5320038 | (1940) The original owner was Eddie Cantor, the singer-showman and is featured in Roy Schneider's definitive Sixteen Cylinder Motorcars.. In the roster prepared in the early sixties by CLC member the late Bill Tite, the car is shown [with the second engine number] as belonging to J.C. Biscayart of Culver City, CA, then Roy Simpson of TX. According to Terry Wenger, this car is documented but the whereabouts of the documents are not currently known. Late extra (5/2005): According to enthusiast, Len Sholes, both 1940 V-16 town cars currently (5/2005) are in the hands of one collector [both belonged for some time to instrumentalist-vocalist, Neil Young, formerly of the group Crosby, Stills Nash and Young]. Even later [5/2005]: Enthusiast and collector, Hank Howard, says: I recently located one of the two 1940 V16 town cars, style 9053. It is for sale and I am negotiating to purchase it. I noticed while scanning through the V16 section that you mentioned that this particular body style is an all time favorite of yours. I am contacting you to let you know that if I am successful in my purchase, I will forward pictures of the car so that you can add it to the V16 section for all of the V16 fans to see. I am also wondering if you can suggest several V16 experts that I might contact for restoration questions. The car is mostly together and even has a rebuilt engine, but needs a full restoration as it is all original and neglected. I am a member of the Cadillac -LaSalle club, but at the moment have no directory. Terry Wenger gives the 2005 owner as Wayne Grafton of Langley, B.C., Canada. Latest (1/2008): This car is being offered at uction (lot #47) at the Gooding & Co. auction in Scottsdale, AZ, on Jan. 19, 2008 (estimated between $150,000 and $200,000). In the auction catalog it is stated that Eddie Cantor ordered the car in 1940 without the standard jump seats, so that a small piano could be installed in the rear compartment. Chris Cimmings supplied this latest information [thanks, Chris!] and says that the car looks like a well-preserved original. |
 Photo left (1970s): Sixteen Cylinder Motorcars (courtesy Roy Schneider) Photo right (1980s): source unknown
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| 9053 | #2 | 5320026 |
(1940)
Two were built in
1940 and both have survived according to enthusiast, Doug Houston . This one was offered for sale in C&P (circa 1975) by
Lowell Stuckman of Pontiac, MI. The asking price at that time was $8000. Interestingly,
one of the two was originally built as a 7553 (V-8 model town car). It had not yet
been sold. An order came for a series 90 town car from somewhere in Florida.
There was a 9033F there, also unsold. The two cars were brought to the factory and the
power trains for the two cars were swapped, the chassis and engines re-serial marked, the
trim changed as well as the belt moldings and other details changed on both cars to make
them outfitted correctly. This data came from the factory records for the town car and was
kindly shared with me by Doug. He believes that the invoice for the "donor"
9033F will carry similar detailed instructions. Terry Wenger gives the prior
owners as L. Stuckman, R. Simpson and Neil Young; he says the current 2005 owner is
Wayne Grafton of Langley, B.C., Canada, who also owns car #1, above. Terry has copies of
the factory invoices and conversion order for this car.
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Note (re 2 foregoing town cars): Cadillac enthusiast, Len Sholes, contacted me in March 2005 and provided some additional information. He said : Last week I was invited by a friend to travel to Lyndon WA to meet a fellow who has a restoration shop. On the way, he told me that this fellow just picked up two 1940 Cadillac V16 town cars. Upon arriving at his place, one of the vehicles was parked outside under cover and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. A complete car that was showing signs of aging but was all there. In his shop was the twin which was in much better shape and he was reconditioning the water pump and replacing the radiator hoses. He told us they were bodies # 1 & # 2 and that he had purchased them from Neil Young (the singer), who lives in California, just south of San Francisco. When I got back home I pulled up the Cadillac Database and saw that there were only two of these cars manufactured and I had seen them both and now I knew what he meant when he said they were # 1 & # 2. As luck would have it I went back down to his place later, with a friend, and I took with me the information from the Database. We had quite a visit and, yes, these are the two cars you have listed on the Database. He had a file on the two cars that contained a lot of photocopied information. Going through it, there was an article that said Eddy Cantor owned one of them. It mentioned also that the vehicle had been for sale by Lowell Shuckman of Pontiac MI. There was also a registration form with the name of Jean L Biscayart on it and an address in Culver City, CA. It appears that Roy E Simpson from San Antonio Texas owned both of them for a number of years. The fellow who has them now doesn't know for how long Neil Young owned them. He also tells me that he is not keeping the cars and has a buyer in Langley BC. Another thing that I noticed was that on the registration forms there are notations stating that serial number 5320038 is body # 1 and that 5320026 is body # 2 [that ties in with my info, Len]. We couldn't locate the serial numbers so I don't know which car is which. However on the car he has parked outside under cover there is a number 102559 painted on the rear RH drivers door post and this same number is on rear of the car on the left hand side below the trunk lid. Its on the rear cross member. Do you have any idea what this number means? [Sorry, Len, I don't have a clue] I would be interested if you already have all of this information or not. If you would like a picture of them I can email you them [these are now included, above]. Terry Wenger says that #102559 is nowhere mentioned in the factory documents of which he has copies. |
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| 9057 | #6 | 5270165 |
(1938) In 1999, this car was owned by Robert Robin of S. California in 2003 |
| 9057 | ? | 5270188 |
(1938) This car was formerly owned by the late, great comic, W.C. Fields (1 of 2 that he owned). Currently (2005) is is owned by R. Shelso of AZ |
| 9057 | ? | ? |
(1938) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was reportedly owned by Harry Goldman of Baltimore, MD. |
| 9057 | #1 | 5290022 | (1939) T. Nelson, OR [CLC Directory, 2002] |
| 9057 | #2 | 5290051 |
(1939) Lots #659
and #682 at two different Kruse auctions, this one is burgundy in color and is said to be
the only one known to exist [in fact, four of them are listed here ...unless they are all
one and the same car!]. This is a CCCA "Junior" and "Senior"
first place winner. It was restored by Fran Roxas of Alsip, IL. It was
reportedly sold for $132,500. This (or a similar car) was offered for sale by J.C. Leake,
Muskogee, OK, in June, 1995; car was reported in MO in 2003 where it was offered for sale.
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| 9057 | ? | 5290106 |
(1939) Five of these were built in 1939; all five have survived according to enthusiast Doug Houston who owns one of them (see below). This one was for a while in the Harrah collection, in Reno, NV. Later owned by William Krantz, OH, it was featured in an AQ article.The engine number is included in the listing prepared by CLC member the late Bill Tite in the early sixties. The car belongs now to Chicago Motor Carriage, LLC. From a reliable source I am given to understand it is now painted black. |
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| 9057 | #6 | 5290108 |
(1939)
May be coming up for sale as part of an estate [9/2005]. It was possibly sent to England
according to Terry Wenger. Is (or may have been) the car once owned by Britrish comedian,
Ronnie Barker. This may be also the car mentioned to me in March 2007 by Cadillac
enthusiast, James Frohlich.
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| 9057 | ? | ? |
(1939) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was reportedly owned by A.C. Stowell of Roswell, NM |
| 9057 | ? | ? |
(1939) One was reported in New Mexico |
| 9057 | ? | ? |
(1940)
This one is owned by Keith Hartley and was photographed by my friend Jim Butler at the Concours
of the Eastern United States in Bethlehem, PA. The former owner was C. Zeccardi of
NJ.
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| 9057B | #6 | 5290294 |
(1938) Possibly was wrecked and chassis drive train used for another body stylethis car of which I got the pic from an enthusiast in England. Or possibly Fleetwood style #9057 (body #6). The car appears to be in fine shape. I'm surprised it has not been reported to me until now. Terry Wenger provided engine and body numbers. |
| 9057B | #6 [???] |
5270296 |
(1938) Formerly owned by CLC Member, Ed Farish then by Tom Crook who acquired it at the Auburn auction in Indiana, in 1987. Mr. Farish is keen to acquire a toy or scale-model depicting his car. I know that Rextoys (Switzerland) made one. |
| 9057B | #1 | 5290048 |
(1939)
Originally purchased by a Dr. Brinkley. In the early sixties, at the time
CLC member the late Bill Tite prepared his roster of survivors, it was owned by D. French
of San Antonio, TX. It was (later?) owned by twice CLC President, Ron Van Gelderen. I
believe it is the car shown on p.19 of the Self Starter for August, 1966. The car
is currently (2003) in CA. It features a gold-plated hood goddess, leather interior, rear
seat clock and a custom Fleetwood trunk. I am
informed by enthusiast-collector Rick Zeiger that he has recently (2005-06) acquired the
Brinkley car. Congratulations!
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| 9057B | #4 | 5290106 |
(1939) C. Houston, Jr. MI [CLC Directory, 2002] who has owned it since the '60s |
| 9057B | #5 | 5290116 |
(1939)
Was acquired by the late Robert Keyaerts, a Belgian industrialist who assembled a fine
private collection of older Cadillacs at his home, the Château de Planchoury in
Langeais, Touraine, France. To honor their father's memory, his daughters, Magali and
Geneviève, opened up the museum collection to the public.
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| 9057B | ? | ? |
(1939) Also mentioned in AQ article? |
| 9057B | #1 | 5320028 |
(1940) In the early sixties, this one is listed in the survivors roster prepared at that time by CLC member, the late Bill Tite. It was owned by C.R. Schafer of Newton, Conn.This unique 1940 V16 coupe was offered for sale in the CLC Self Starter in March 1997, together with one of two Fleetwood style #9067 V16 convertible coupes ...for $650,000! The vendor was named as Ms. Jocelyn Alie of Montreal, Canada. The car was also offered for sale at a Kruse auction in August, 1996. It is said to have been built for a former President of Cadillac (Canada ?). The color is black. It was owned at one time by Robert Aubin who chromed the headlights and parking lights and who is known to put on his cars as many lights as possible. In 2002 it was reported to be in the ownership of a French-Canadian collector, Vic Tremblay (2003) and may be seen on this Web page |
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| V-16 owner-enthusiast, Terry Wenger says this about the V-16 coupes
9ABOVE): these 9057's and 9057B's can get confusing. They are all called club coupes,
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| 9059 | #1 | 5270029 | (1938) G. Timoff, MI [CLC Directory, 2002 and 2003]. This info ties in with the listing prepared by the late Bill Tite in the early sixties. |
| 9059 | ? | ? | (1938) This one was photographed in the fifties. It looks like a police car, with a large siren mounted on the RH front fender. I wonder whatever happened to it.
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| 9059 | ? | ? |
(1938-39) Photographed on Ebay in 2008, thi8s could
be also Fleetwood style 9033F
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| 9059 | ? | ? |
(1939) This one was brought to my attention by a Cadillac Database user in June, 2001; it appears to be a special order (#SO6194). This car has been in Kansas for many years. It was painted and the interior refurbished circa 1992. In 2002, the mileage was 55,252. Thanks for the information Tom. A photo would be welcome, as also the engine and body numbers. |
| 9059 | 1 | 5320027 |
(1940) V-16 owner, Doug Houston, brought this one to my attention in January, 2004. Doug remembered that Walt Sprague of Portage, MI has it and that it is in very nice condition. A former owner was Lowell Stuckman. Doug has a B&W snap of the car that he took at a Carnival of Cars meet in the early seventies. |
| 9059 | #2 | 5320031 |
(1940)
This one was originally black. It is rumored to have been owned by Al Capone when he lived
in Miami but this has never been authenticated. The body color was changed to maroon and a
light-colored Burbank top were added, both at the suggestion of designer Alexis de
Sakhnoffsky who lived in Atlanta, GA, at the time the car found a new home there, in the
mid-sixties. The owner at that time (Mills B. Lane) had bought the car from Dr. Roy Keith
of Raleigh, NC
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| 9067 | #2 | 5270095 |
(1938)
This one was reportedly owned by the legendary Gary Cooper; it has been
undergoing a full restoration in California and we should be seeing photos of the car
soon. In 2001, it was owned by Larry Harvey. Currently in CA. According to Terry Wenger,
it has changed hands again and now belongs to Art Astor of CA.
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| 9067 | #4 | 5270108 |
(1938) Former owner: Mr. Johnston A. Bowman of Evanston, IL [he had also a 1930-31 style #4335 roadster]; the color of this car is #6, that is Pelham gray body, with Desert Sand wheels, black top and black leather interior; there is a radio, vacuum antenna, heater and trunk-mounted spare. The initial cost of this car in 1938 was $5440; it was converted to Hydra-Matic, by the factory, in 1952 at a reported cost of $2139.82. Power steering was later added too and the car was repainted Champagne beige. It has no sidemounts. It was acquired in 1969 by Ron Van Gelderen, twice president of the Cadillac-LaSalle Club, Inc. (I saw it in the Self-Starter for Nov.-Dec. 1967, p.9). Ron sold the car in 1980. In 2002 it was located in Missouri (possibly CLC member, R. Smits [CLC Directory, 2002]). Car is now (2003) in Florida, with the same owner. |
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9067 |
#1 | 5270140 |
(1938) Claimed to have a unique, Fleetwood Silverknights [Silver Knightstown ???] body, possibly made up and later advertised for sale by Sheldon J. Lewis of New York in the Self-Starter for February, 1967, pp.15-16; it was said to have only 14K miles and to have been in storage [at that time] for 21 years. Described as being in showroom condition inside and out, the car was metallic maroon with a white leather interior. Terry Wenger spoke to Christa Ficken, widow of Dave Ficken for whom two sixteens are listed here [under styles 9023 and 9053]; she said that Dave had looked at the car when Mr. Lewis had it for sale. The car is believed to be still on the East coast. The car was owned for a while by Sam Mann of Englewood, NJ (Self-Starter, October 1993, p.21). It is currently restored and owned by C. Zeccardi, NJ. |
9067 |
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5270150 |
(1938) is owned by collector-enthusiast, Aaron Weiss who contacted me in Feb., 2008, to tell me he had this one in his superb collection. I am hoping he can provide the body number, as well as a couple of photos for the record. |
9067 |
#7 |
5270184 |
(1938) The engine from this car required major repairs and was sold by its owner, the late Don Frolich, to V-16 enthusiast, Doug Houston. This car is rumored to have survived, in Canada where it was reported in 1989. |
9067 |
#7 |
5270184 |
(1938) The engine from this car required major repairs and was sold by its owner, the late Don Frolich, to V-16 enthusiast, Doug Houston. This car is rumored to have survived, in Canada where it was reported in 1989. |
9067 |
#8 |
5270195 |
(1938) This car was offered for sale on e-Bay in March, 2000; it is located in a museum and has been there for several years; it was purchased at an estate sale. Currently (2005) it is owned by a Spanish collector (in Spain), Sr. V. Grau. It was formerly in the Canton Auto Museum, Canton, OH. |
| 9067 | #9 | 5270150 | (1938) A. Horley, CA [CLC Directory, 2002]. Mr. Horley sold the car in 2005. The new owner, Aaron Weiss, kindly supplied the photo on the left. The other (?) car is attributed also to Aaron; is it a second car or a repaint of the first one? |
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9067 |
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5270136 |
(1938) is CLC Senior car #83; it was owned by Gordon Cochran of Redmond, WA. the 2002 CLC lists it as belonging to J. Adelstein, NY. At the Kruse auction venue in Auburn, IN, August 2000, this car was listed as lot #1078. It was described thus: V-16, gold exterior, brown interior - senior winner CCCA, senior badge CLC Inc., 1st place AACA, leather interior, manual transmission, 400 miles since frame -off restoration. The car found a new owner for $105,000. |
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9067 |
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5270276 |
(1938) This was offered as lot #717 at a Kruse auction (which year?); it was maroon and had undergone a frame-off restoration. Car has dual side-mounted spare wheels with rear-view mirrors attached. It is owned by R. Ames, TX [CLC Directory, 2002] |
9067 |
#3 | 5270071 |
(1938) This
"rough but restorable" car was advertised in the Self-Starter in June
1966, p.14; it is currently (2005) owned by Irwin Sinclair of Australia, whom Gita and I
had the pleasure of meeting there, in March 2005. His car was featured in SS,
7/96.
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| 9067 | #5 | 5270143 | (1938) According to Terry Wenger, this one was restored in the 70's by Joel McGurk of Virginia. |
| 9067 | #6 | 5270250 | (1938) Currently (2005) is in the Blackhawk collection, Danville, CA (per Terry Wenger) |
| 9067 | ? | ? | (1938) J. Viau, Canada [CLC Directory, 2002] |
| 9067 | ? | ? | (1938) According to Terry Wenger, this one was formally owned in Florida by the late Rick Carroll. It was painted medium green and had a tan top |
| 9067 | #3 | 5290069 | (1939) R. Hannay, AZ [CLC Directory, 2002, CCCA Bulletin 8/2003] |
9067 |
#2 | 5290074 |
(1939)
Was acquired by the late Robert Keyaerts, a Belgian industrialist who assembled a fine
private collection of older Cadillacs at his home, the Château de Planchoury in
Langeais, Touraine, France. To honor their father's memory, his daughters, Magali and
Geneviève, opened up the museum collection to the public. I believe it is now open only
for groups and upon application in advance.
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#6 | 5290093 |
(1939) According to V-16 sleuth, Terry Wenger, this one was for sale by Hyman Ltd., in MO. Late Extra [Jan., 2008]: the car was offered again at auction, this time by RM auctions, at their Scottsadle AZ venue in Jan., 2008. It is believedto be one of just two known survivors [body #2 is in the Robert Keyaerts collection in France and body #3 is also liste here as a possible survivor]. According to a copy of the original Cadillac Shipping Order, the car was shipped on June 9, 1939 to dealer Claude Nolan Cadillac, in Jacksonville, Florida. The firewall still bears the original body tag. While the early history of this example is not known, it was part of the collection of "Carpet King" Ed Weaver of Dalton, Georgia at the time of his death. The current owner acquired the car at the auction of the Weaver Collection, and has maintained and upgraded it ever since. Most recently, it has benefited from a concours quality bare metal strip and repaint in its original black. A new top was fitted at the same time, piped in rich dark red leather to match the interior. The car is well equipped, with a set of Trippe driving lights, radio, clock and heater. RM auction results show that the car sold for $330,000 ! |
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| 9067 | ? | 5290118 | (1939) The engine/chassis serial number for this car corresponds to V-16 style 9033; the original sedan body may have been swapped over for convertible coupe body by the restorer. The car is black with a red leather interior; it was advertised for sale on the Internet, in August 1995, by RM Classic Investments Inc., MI; the asking price at that time was $155,000. I saw a second ad for what I believe was the same car, offered for sale by the same vendor, one year later, in August 1996; this time the asking price was $33,000 "O.B.O." Quite a discount, no!?!? A similar car was again for sale at an RM auction at Amelia Island in 2001; was it this same car? Did it find a buyer? Terry Wenger believes Dick Kughn was a former owner. |
| 9067 | ?? | 3201218 | (1939) J. Bohmer, MN [CLC Directory, 2002] The VIN suggests the car is built on a V-8 chassis! ??
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| 9067 | #1 | 5320030 | (1940) This car was restored by Harbor Restorations in Pompano Beach, FL. In 2001 it was owned by George Shelley of Fort Lauderdale, FL. It is black, with tan leather upholstery. It is unfortunate that someone added a fifties gold "V" on the trunk lid. Only two of these were built in 1940. Late extra (3/2005): At the RM auction sale in Amelia Island, SC, the car found a new home, for $313,500 ! |
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9067 |
#2 |
5320046 |
(1940) This one was owned in the 60s by Louis Gravel, 347 Metcalfe Ave, Westmount, Quebec, Canada. At that time, Mr. Gravel also owned a style 9053 town car of the same year. In 1983-84 it was offered for sale by Jean-Claude Labrecque of Quebec, Canada, in the classifieds section of Cadillac Connoisseur, the magazine of the Cadillac Club International of Palm Springs, CA); the price at that time was a "mere" $45,000. Just fifteen years later, the convertible coupe was offered for sale in the CLC Self Starter (March 1997), together with the unique 1940 V-16 coupe (also listed on this page) for $650,000! The vendor was named as Ms. Jocelyn Alie of Montreal, Canada. Later I saw the car listed as being owned by another French-Canadian collector, Mr. Robert Aubin [Terry Wenger says the couple in fact are married]. Only two of these were built in 1940. One of them was offered for sale by the Kruse auctioneers in 1996. It was for sale in 2003 and according to Terry Wenger it is now owned by T. Kowalski of Colorado. I believe it was sold at Hershey for about half the original asking price ($363,000). According to V-16 enthusiast, Jon Riley, this one is owned currently by two guys from Kalamazoo, MI. They also own a blue and silver 1930-31 V-16, Fleetwood style 4260 special phaeton. |
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| 9067 | ? | ? | (1940) Is featured in the 2003 CLC directory as belonging to M. Blasinsky, PA; however, as only two of these cars were built in 1940, it is possible that one of the THREE listed here may be a conversion from another body style. |
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(1939) Imperial limousine, advertised for sale in California, February, 1963 |
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(1939) This limousine [style not specified] was offered for sale by auction by the Kruse organization as lot #328, in Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1/2001. Black exterior, gray interior, dual side mounts. The car was bid up to $39,000 but not sold. |
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(unk.) Imperial limousine, St. Regis green with dark green leather ; this one was offered for sale by auction (Kruse), in August, 1996 |
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(1939) Limousine shown in Photo Album of Cadillac Connoisseur, Vol 23:5 (1983-84), p.10; was owned by Carl Wishek of Lodi, CA. |
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(1939) Limousine offered for sale in August 1996 by Stahl Motor Co., CA |
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(1939) Limousine offered for sale by the Kruse organization in August 1996; this car is from the former Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg Museum where it spent eleven years. |
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(1939) From the former Harrah's collection, this car was offered for sale at Auction in Dallas, 1996 [Kruse] as lot #200. Reported to be in condition #1 it was bid up to only $29,000. |
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(1939) Offered
twice at auction in the last 4-5 years, this one was described as having a CCCA Senior
badge; with only 38,000 miles it is a totally original car although the engine was rebuilt
in 1992 (?). It has the black leather in the chauffeur's compartment and tan cloth in the
rear compartment. Rated as an 82-point car it was bid to $40,000 [as lot #595] then to
$44,000 [as lot #857] |
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(1940) Offered by the Kruse auctioneers as lot #935 (what year?), this is a black limousine (no style number was listed); the engine serial number must be erroneous as those used for the Sixteens of 1940 only went up to 5320061 |
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(1940) Back in the mid-seventies, Lyle Saunders [a namesake who owns a 1934 V-16 Town Car] said he had a friend in Davenport, Iowa, who owned a 1940 V-16 sedan. |
| ? | ? | ? | (1938) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was owned by James Menger of Milwaukee, Wis. |
| ? | ? | ? | (1938) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was owned by David Hardcastle of St. Louis, MO. |
| ? | ? | 5290120 | (1939) This spare engine was owned by a friend and V-16 aficionado in RI; neither he nor I knew what body style it powered in 1939! Late Extra [Dec. 2007]: Terry Wenger checked it out and told me it was mounted originally in a 39-9023 with body #15. He said that the engine is now used in CLC member, Richard Long's 39-9033, body #26 (see this roster). |
| ? | ? | ?? | Two V16 engines survive [no details available] |
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? | In some correspondence exchanged in the 70s between Stan Squires and presumed owners of 1934-37 V-16 models, I found a note from a Robert L. Chamberlin, stating that he owned both a 1938 and 1939 V-16. He did not specify the body styles nor the engine numbers. These cars may already be listed here. |
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(1939)
Special Derham town car built for Mrs. Henry B. DuPont [of DuPont de Nemours chemical
Wilmington, DE]. The car was used well into the sixties ('41 Cadillac owner and
enthusiast, Chris Cagle, told a friend in 2005 that he had a letter from Mr. duPont, from 1966, saying he still had the town car
in his possession. Mrs.
DuPont had also a '41 Fleetwood style 7533F formal limousine (#3341186) which Chris
was able to buy when it had only 12K miles on the odometer. Late extra [Dec. 2007]: Terry Wenger confirmed that the
car was still owned by the DuPont family. Latest [March, 2008]: I was contacted by "Jim", the son of the
person who maintained the car until he passed away in 1992; Jim, took over the job from
his dad but reports that the car has been laid up for 6 years owing to bad manifolds and
the broken promises of a company calld MTF, USA who were paid for parts but never
delivered them nor returned the old ones. Any help getting this car running again
would certainly be appreciated by the DuPont family.
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| Custom | ? | ? | (1939) The 2nd bare V-16 chassis realeased in 1939 also got a custom town
car body by Derham of Rosemont. It may not have survived.
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| Custom | ? | 5320015 | (1940) Special town car by Derham, owned by E. Abagnale of NJ. [Photos anyone ?] |
| Custom | ? | 5320042 | (1940) Special coupe by Derham. Was last reported in the collection of Jack Nethercutt [Merle Norman products], in 1986. I suspected that this car might have begun its life as a regular Fleetwood style #9057B; Terry Wenger doubts it; he believes it is a full Derham custom job. |
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| Engine | ? | 5270034 | (1938) V16 owner and enthusiast, Doug Houston, has this spare engine block since the early sixties. It came from Sam Adelstein's junkyard in Mt. Vernon, NY. He believes a good welder could fix the cracks in the casting and that some of the damaged cylinders could be sleeved. NOW, we proceeded to finally remove the crating pieces that hid the numbers on the other block. This is the one that I got from (the late) Don Frolich in California, probably 30 years ago. It is supposed to be in pretty good shape. The heads were chromium plated (You've seen it, Terry). I received it disassembled, with crank and cam (as on the other one), most, if not all rods, no valves. Some idiot had ground stock off some of the rods, to lighten the reciprocating mass. BUT NOW, here's the joker! There is no broadcast number on the block. There is only an engine unit number where the serial (broadcast) number would be. That number is: 5L180. We speculate that this engine was not installed in a production car. Otherwise, there would have had to show a serial number! We already know that there were some V16 engines that were not used in car chassis, and now, I wonder if this would be one of them. This engine had come to Don Frolich when he bought a '38(?) 90 coupe, not long before he died. He offered me the block and parts, as he figured that he wouldn't need them. Later, he lamented having let the block go, so perhaps the one in the coupe was bad, but I never learned the details. I'm not sure that Don knew anything about the origin of the block. This was a real surprise, to put it mildly! |
| Engine | ? | 5270184 | (1938-1940?) Doug has also this second spare block. Terry Wenger, who has done much of the research on the surviving second-generation sixteens, tells me that the engine came from the late Don Frolich. It used to power 38-9067 convertible coupe, body #7. The latter car is still rumored to exist, but the current engine number is not known. After Don offered Doug the block and parts, figuring that he wouldn't need them, he lamented having let it go! |
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