This is 1938 V-16 #5270133

   
It was offered for sale on the Internet in May, 2004

Regular Production Models
[in ascending numerical order of styles]

[ from "9002" through "9033F" ]
click here for rest of production

(1938) This special fastback sedan was made for GM President William "Bunkie" Knudsen. It remained in unrestored condition for many years. Only in the early nineties was it brought back to its original glory. Pictures were taken at at the Gilmore Museum's Cadillac-LaSalle Experience  in Kalamazoo, MI, in June 1993 [below]. For more information on this car, click here. V-16 enthusiast and expert, Terry Wenger of the CLC pointed out a possible error in the engine number for this job ( I have shown it in italics, even though that is the number provided by the owner); according to factory records scoured by V-16 sleuth, Carl Steig, also of the CLC, the correct engine number for this car is 5270305 [Carl adds that engine #5270306 was used in another experimental V-16 sedan built for GM President Alfred P. Sloan]. The car was sold at auction in 2005. Since about 1990 and until it was sold recently, the car was owned by a Mr. Zerth who registered it with the CCCA each year as a limousine.

  
[ Photo:  courtesy my dear friend Katie Robbins ]

   
Left: The Knudsen car was a show winner at Pebble Beach
Right:  the car was reported old at Pebble Beach for $297,000
[ http://www.goodingco.com/pb2005/lot23.html ]

   
These rare interior shots are original factory photos
[ © 1938, GM/Cadillac ]

* The original V-16 engine was replaced by a V-8, after WW2
(1938) On account of their imposing size, this and an identical car (body #2) were nicknamed respectively the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth, after the two renowned Cunard ocean liners.  Terry Wenger found that this car was offered for sale in Hemmings Motor News or October, 1968, by a Paul Wallace, M.D.,  of St. Petersburg.  It appears to have been acquired around that time by the late Charly De Pauw, a collector from Belgium. When he died, the car was acquired by another well-known Belgian collector, Mr. G. Mahy.  It was exhibited for a few years at the Belgian National Auto Museum in Brussels, where I photographed it [see photos, below] in the mid-eighties. In 1999 it was reported to have been sold at auction (together with a 1956, stretched White House security car) for $1.6 million. It may be currently [Feb. 2000] part of the Imperial Palace collection in Las Vegas. For more information on this car, click here  [art. SS, 9/2005, pp.1819 et seq.].

 

Car #1

   
One of the two surviving cars (#2) was located for many years in
Belgium's National Auto Museum, under the care of Ghislain Mahy
[ Photos: © 1984, Yann Saunders ]

       
These recent photos [2004], © and courtesy Howland Blackiston

The car is now in a private collection in Florida (2003/04)
On the snapshot of the body ID tag, it will be seen that car #2 was "Special Order" (SO) #2643; 
that indication is shown in error, on the tag, where the trim code should be;
the paint code (image, far right) appears to be #10, i.e. black)

       
Above two rows: these recent photos [2004], © and courtesy Howland Blackiston

* The original V-16 engine was replaced by a V-8, after WW2. It is reported to still exist in Paris, IL.
(1938)  This is the second of the two units built.   It to has survived. This one was owned for many years by my friend Jack Tallman, a Cadillac dealer of Decatur, IL. I got to drive it on my first trip to the USA, in 1978. Jack sold the car for $275,000 at the Kruse auction in Auburn, IN, in May 1999.  For more information on this car, click here
I have it from Russian enthusiast, Andy Chrisanfov of Moscow's Auto Review newspaper, that the former Tallman car may be the one he saw on display (in 2003) at Classic Corvettes and Collectibles, 304 S.Pinelas Ave., Tarpon Springs, FL. Also on display is/was one of  5-6 custom 1958 Eldorado Biarritz convertibles from Fisher/Fleetwood with a rain-activated power top,  as well as a 1958 Eldorado Brougham. All three cars are referred to in the display as being a part of Al Wiseman's collection [art. SS, 9/2005, pp.1819 et seq.].

Car #2

   
Fleetwood V-16 style #9006, car #2
[ Photos:  courtesy Katie Robbins ]

   
Left: behind the 1956 White House security car, while in Jack's collection [ photo:  Jack Tallman ]
Right: the car is believed now to be part of a private collection in Florida (2003/04)
[ Photo (right):  Andy Chrisanfov, Russia ]

   

   
[ Photos from private Florida collection ]

   
As may be seen from this snapshot of the body ID tag, car #2 was "Special Order" (SO) #2644; that
indication is shown on the tag where the paint color code should be; as a result, no paint code is shown
[ the car currently is painted dark blue ("Antoinette Blue"?), although this may not have been the original color ]

(1938) Reported to have survived; details needed.  This car was located in Massachusetts in February 1963 (CLC Self-Starter).  It was mentioned again in the Self-Starter for October 1965. In the Fall of 2001, this car was sold to a man in Cincinnati [information from Cadillac Database user, Ted Nagel]. This one was included in the late Bill Tite's listing in 1963. At that time it was owned by  C.M. Tolson, Sr. of Southampton, MA.

(1938) Only the engine is reported to survive

(1938) Originally delivered to Tabor Cadillac in Hartford, CT, this fine survivor  [photos, below] was listed for sale on the Hemmings' Internet site in February, 2002. In  2003 it resided in Florida. Paint, chrome and upholstery were reported to be as new. The former owner, Jerry Wilhelm, of Vero Beach (FL), had the car up for  sale in the Classic Car magazine of the CCCA in April, 2004 and in the CLCs Self Starter magazine the same month, for $52,500; he said: I have a model 9019 five passenger with built-in compartment in back seat as shown in photo in the Fleetwood book [the one by Jim Schild?]. The car has now (2004) passed into the hands of  another aficionado, Donald Sabourin, and will be relocated to Michigan.

  
Photos: Courtesy of O.H. Stark, former owner

(1938) Only the engine has survived and now powers the car with former engine #5270129

(1938) The original motor has been replaced with #5270022 

(1938) According to a list of survivors prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite, this one was owned by W. J. Nolan of Norco, CA.

(1938) J. Stork (information through the Cadillac Mailing List [CML]). Jeff wrote: A CCCA friend provided a lead to an estate in San Diego looking to dispose of Cadillacs. A very nice widow named Lola had six cars to sell ranging from a 67 Eldorado back to cars of the thirties. Five have been sold already and only her husband's favorite remained. A very nice solid car, subject of a restoration in the mid-seventies and well preserved since. A 1938 Cadillac 9019, V-16 , Five Passenger Sedan by Fleetwood. Number 36 of the 43 built. I placed a deposit and then spent several long nights wondering what might go wrong. The night was possibly the longest night I can remember, like five Christmas Eves strung together. We finally rolled it onto a flatbed and off to a new life. Lola waved goodbye to her longtime companion (and namesake) and the proud girl began the trek up to Los Angeles. She's resting comfortably at a local dealer [May, 2003] awaiting some mechanical freshening. With Jeff's permission, I will add some photos of Lola, here, later. Jeff informs me he has the car's full history ...so look forward to reading more about it!

(1938) R. Lewenthal, PA [according to CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) R. Smits, MO [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1939) Has dealer updated 1940 trim; located in SD in 2003 

(1939) M. Tite, MI [CLC Directory, 2002]; car's ownership was confirmed by enthusiasts, Terry Wenger and Doug Houston; Doug bought a V-16 from the same used car dealer in California in 1961. Car's original color is Luzon Green. Although four units of this body style were built in 1940, and this is #2, still it was put on the last Cadillac V-16 chassis to be built; it is still owned in the Detroit area [see opening paragraphs of this page]

(1939) Was seen in a Kruse auction lot #423 (what year?); there, it was said to be black and in good/excellent condition. It was later offered for sale gain by Hyman of St. Louis, MO. They were candid in heir description: Sixteen-cylinder powering, complete individuality in style – that, in brief, is the story of the Cadillac V16. With the 16-cylinder model Cadillac achieved at once the greatest sensation and the foremost engineering triumph of the era. This is the most individualistic and powerful car ever made for ordinary private use and every care has been taken to ensure that each detail of its construction is worthy of its amazing engine. It is indeed, the supreme achievement in motor car design. This 16-cylinder engine is built on the fundamental principles of design that have created the proud Cadillac record; its power, its efficiency, its flexibility put it in a position far ahead of all possible rivals. For such an engine a super-chassis was essential, and this Cadillac have built - incorporating the well-proved characteristics of Cadillac mechanism and giving perfect ride at even the very highest speeds. The above is the introductory text to an early V16 brochure, and these statements still hold true today. The V16 Cadillac is the zenith of Classic Era engineering. Only 4076 cars powered by the mighty sixteen-cylinder engine were built in the eleven-year period of 1930-1940, that is an average of just 370 cars a year. In fact, however, three quarters of them were built during the first year of production, in 1930. The car on offer is one only thirteen built in 1939. This is a five passenger sedan, Fleetwood body style #9019, body #5. The subject of an older yet comprehensive restoration, this is the perfect tour car. The paint while older is very nice, and the chrome is excellent. The interior is fabulous with tan broadcloth upholstery. This is a non divider window car offering lots of room for the driver as well as a huge compartment for passengers seated in the rear. Mechanically the car is fully sorted, and runs and drives very well. The engine compartment is nicely detailed, as is the trunk, but the car would benefit from a new trunk mat. The V-16 long wheelbase sedan offered is a very pretty car that while showing some minor signs of wear is still very handsome and most importantly, it drives as it should . While not a concours show car, it is a gorgeous and important motorcar, that is a reliable tour car as well. This is a fabulous opportunity to own one of the greatest cars of the Classic Era, and a great investment to boot!  The car was bid up to almost $38,000 but the vendor's reserve was not met. Nota: The listed engine number for the "For Sale" ad does not tie in with that shown on the survivor listing prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite [second number]. A car similar to this one [lookingt at the odd position of the "V16" badge on the radiator grille] sold for $39250 ay a Kruse auction in Scottsdale, 1/2005 (lot #1030); it was reported to have 75K mi.

       
[ Photos:  Internet, 8/2005 ]

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Kruse auction catalog photo

(1939) Last heard of in 1963 

(1939) Had last been heard of in Ohio, in 1969, until the present owner contacted the compiler of "The Cadillac Database" in December, 2005.  Here is the latest information:   ... I'm the owner of 1939 Cadillac [V-16] 9019 body #12 engine number 5290131, last heard of in Ohio 1969. This is the same car that was sold out of the Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg museum in 1996 were it had spent 11 years. It was sold for $16.000; the car was owned by Mr. Spears from Angola, Indiana from 1976 [maybe earlier] until 1996. Mr. Geuluikens from Belgium bought the car and brought it to Belgium, where I acquired it in 2000 and subsequently brought it to the Netherlands where it has now had a full frame off restoration. The odometer reads 30.475 miles. I hope to have the car ready next year.

[5290015]

       
[ Photos: © 2006, Yann Saunders ]

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(1939) P. Troost, NM [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) According to a list of survivors prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite, this one was owned  in the early sixties by E. W. Massey of Kingston, NC. It was last heard of in 1963.

(1938) N. Cohen, GA [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) Last heard of in 1963 ; at that time it was owned by M.B. Belden of Colorado Springs, CO.

(1938) Last heard of in UT in 2003; owned there by M. Hadley

(1938) The owner notified me in May, 2000, that he had this car; it is located in Jacksonville, FL, and is currently red (it was originally Antoinette blue and was owned previously by the late Gary Braman who wrote many V-16 tips in the CLC Self-Starter). Collector Randall Kimberly wrote in November 2005 to say that he now had the car and may be selling it owing to lack of time to restore it.  He said, I retired from GM after 31 years and keeping Bill Warner's collection up is a full time job. Asking price in the April 2006 issue of Self Starter was $27,500.

#20

5270079

(1938) Was offered for sale on e-Bay (Internet) in November, 2003. I got this information from the buyer, in January, 2004; he is the head Archivist of the New Jersey Region AACA and his collection of classic cars is located in Morris County, NJ: This is a one owner unrestored car that spent it's whole life in California and has only 28,000 original miles. It has it's original dark green paint and it's original tan broadcloth interior and they both cleaned up good enough that I think I am going to preserve the car and enter it in the HPOF class at shows. Even all of the brightwork cleaned up a bit.... It has not run in more than 40 years but the engine is free and I'm sure I will have it running over the winter. I hooked up a battery and all the lights work as well as the horn, plus the factory radio and clock are in the car.  The missing headlight glass and the Sixteen horn button were in the trunk so everything is there. The body is in wonderful condition with no dents and very little rust.  The floors as well as all the wood work in the car are also in very good condition. The barn it sat in was dry, so that helped save the car plus the whole car was coated with Cosmolene. This original V16 Cadillac is in better condition then many people thought and I am really pleased to now give it a good home in my collection. I also have some other rare Cadillacs from the 30's and older.

   
[ Photos :  Internet, 11/2003 ]

       
[ These five photos: © 2004, courtesy the new owner ]

(1938) owned by G. Cochran, WA [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) owned by P. Thibodeau, ME 

(1938) Was lot #1002 at a Kruse auction [but what year?]; the color was black and the car said to be on excellent condition. Jean Lebrun, a friend of the owner, contacted me in March, 2000, and said the car was for sale again. The interior is gray; there is no partition. Jean says this is a near 100-point; the only missing item is a radio knob. Jean adds that the car was sold at the beginning of the eighties (1982, in Pennsylvania?) to a Canadian citizen, then seized by Canadian Customs around 1988 and subsequently sold by them, in 1993, to his friend. Since then, it has been in the province of Quebec, Canada, and has run only... 12 miles! The car was exported to France in 2002.  Terry Wenger visited this car's (former?) owner, in Wisconsin, in the early '80s when the latter was putting the finishing touches to the car.

      
Possibly this one, owned by a Mr. Selaudoux,
member of the American Car Club de France (ACCF)
[ Photos:  ACCF archives ]

(1938) Was for sale for $450 ...in the seventies [C&P ad] At that time it was owned by the late Dave Ficken [see also custom #9053, below]; it was said to be in fair condition with a poor interior despite only 24K miles on the clock. Subsequently, Dave sold the car but retained the engine which he used to replace engine #5270300 in his custom 9053 town car

(1938) W. Nolan, Jr. (CA) [CLC Directory, 2002]. Interestingly, this car has had the same owner since  the late Bill Tite's survivor listing was prepared in the early sixties.

#58

5270253

(1938) [Unidentified]  V-16 enthusiast, Rusty Shepherd, wrote this in July 2002: I noticed the 38-9023 (the one pictured in the snow) for which you have lost the photo ID. I saw that car with the same picture a few months ago (I think I found it with a Google search for Cadillac V-16). I don't remember the current owner's name, but I am absolutely certain that the story with it stated that it was originally bought and owned for many years by Canadian Tire which you probably know is still a major tire, auto parts, and appliance retail chain in Canada. It was presently either in Quebec or Ontario, Quebec I think. Considering the Quebec location mentioned, this may be possibly car #40, above;

    
[ have lost the photo IDs ]

(1938) Was sold by Frank Corrente; listed erroneously on his Web site as a style 9029, he says: This is an exceptionally good auto; one of 65 built; just taken in from a collector; shows excellent care; has won many trophies.

       
[ Photos:  Internet, 3/2006 ]

(1938) Last heard of in AZ in 2003 

(1938) Former owner: L. Digney, MA [CLC Directory, 2002 - but erroneous entry according to the current owner, Paul Wren, from Maine. Paul says he purchased it at auction at the Owl's Head Transportation Museum in 2001. The car was purchased new, privately, by a woman of means and driven by chauffeur for a period of 7 years, then it was owned by a series of museums, including some in Europe. A private collector acquired it in the early 1970s, then Mr. Digney (who is a car dealer) in the late 1990's. Since 2001, every moving part (barring the engine and transmission) was rebuilt or refurbished to proper historical standards, including all new wiring loom, rebuilt fuel system, rebuilt brakes and suspension, radiator, alternators, etc.  The car looked as if it had never been touched; the rubber parts were consistent in condition with ones that had been installed at the factory in 1938. Currently, the car runs as new. The interior appears to be entirely original and in reasonably good condition. Body and frame are in excellent condition and show no signs of damage.  Most of the dark green paint is original [photos to follow].

   
[ Photos:  © and courtesy of the owner ]

(1938) R. Blunt CA [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) G. Finley III, TX [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1939 - *body now converted to style 9029; the original 9023 body may also have survived). According to a list of survivors prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite, this one was owned at the time by E.E. Bayowski of Lowellville, OH.

(1939) According to Self Starter, March 2003, p.4, this one belonged in the sixties to Phillip R. Hurlbut of Scottsdale, AZ [Terry Wenger pointed out that Phillip owned it already in 1963]. I saw it offered at auction by the Kruse organization; it is  black and the interior is said to be original. Mileage was given as 56,000.

(1939) Owned by Charlie Montano of NY. 

(1939) According to a listing of survivors prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite, this one was owned at that time by C.C. Grier of Seattle, WA.. It was advertised for sale in CCCA Bulletin #3, April 2001, by Coast-to-Coast Classics of Lodi, CA. Very low miles since full, frame off  restoration. Database visitor Frank Aniotzbehere of Fresno, CA, provided this welcome information (he has been asked by the current owner to try to sell the car).  Another earlier owner lived in Belleville, IL (circa 1985). This car was first offered for sale at a Kruse auction in 1990 but the reserve was not met. Trim is #4903 and paint code is #51. Late Extra [5/2007]: Ms. Audrey Barnes, Kruse International Auction Coordinator, confirmed the accuracy of the VIN and body number. The car is listed in the Kruse catalog in error as a "Town Sedan", whereas this model is the larger sedan for 7 passengers.

       
[ Photos:  Internet: May, 2007 ]

(1939) Seen at Barrett-Jackson annual auction, January 1998; I believe this is the car once owned by a Texas doctor, R.J. Broselow,  who paid $20,000 for it at a Kruse auction in Fort Lauderdale, FL (1997?).   In an article by him he reports that he was never able to get it to run satisfactorily and sold it later for $13,000 after he had invested about $35,000 in the car.

I believe this poor photo is from the Kruse auction catalog

(1940) [correction] the current owner (for the last 45 years or so) is Miss Lisa Pastor of Painesville, OH. The condition is around #3 and the car has an odometer reading of circa 40K mi. Jim Davis, who contacted me in December, 2001, was shown in error as the owner; in fact he has only helped Miss Pastor keep the car in running order.  The car may be available for sale.

(1940) Currently (2005) owned by M. Lepak, MN [Terry Wenger correction]

(1940) Possibly R. Robin, CA [CLC Directory, 2002]

9029

#2

5270060

   
Photo (right) by my friend Jim Butler at the Concours of the Eastern United States in Bethlehem, PA

(1938) W. La Fronz, NJ [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) J. Aldrich, NC [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) owned by R. Gates of NJ.

9029

#15

5270273

(1938) Dr. P. Woods, VA [CLC Directory, 2002]

#3

5290060

?

?

This could be any one of the preceding Fleetwood style #9029 cars

(1938) According to a listing by the late William "Bill" Tite, published in the Self Starter in March 1963, one of these was registered to Bob Felber of East Hollywood, FL.

(1938) L. Baker, AL [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) P. Komeskey, Sr. NY [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938?) Shown erroneously as a 1937 model (?), such a car was owned by Joe Mikula; I saw it in the Self-Starter for Nov.-Dec. 1967, p.8

(1938?) This one was located in Ohio; seen in the Self-Starter for September 1965

?

[ Photos: © The Huff Report ]

9029

#4

5290067

  
This car was formerly (?) owned by Gen. William Lyons
Above (left): the car on display in Scottsdale, January 2002
[ Photo, right: © 2002, Pierre Bongni ]

I believe this is the same car at a different location

(1939) L. De Bremont, NY [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1939) Unidentified; color photo, below, probably taken in someone's private collection; B&W photo presumably taken at a car meet may be of the same V-16

Note the non-original V-16 badge on the front fenders,
just ahead of the fender spears

(1939) This car was not previously on the survivors' roster.  It was sold by RM auctions in Feb. 2008 for $170,500 ! The vendor's description reads: Originally a Series 75 convertible sedan, this car was converted some 15 years ago with the installation of the engine and front sheet metal from a 1939 Series 90 V16 Touring Sedan. The conversion was done in a professional manner, and since Series 75 and 90 cars use the same Fleetwood bodies, the result is all but indistinguishable from an authentic V16. One of the nicest of this style, it is painted in rich maroon and has a tan canvas top. The interior is done in matching leather, and magenta carpet is fitted to the floor and lining the trunk. The car has the optional dual sidemount spare tires. These have the one-piece smooth steel covers, which were introduced with the 1938 models. The car has been detailed to concours quality standards. This includes the paint, brightwork, interior, engine compartment and undercarriage. It runs extremely well, and is a pleasure to drive. America’s most powerful automobile engine in 1939, the Cadillac V16 is also one of the most docile, being whisper-quiet at idle and having the smooth torque to propel the 5,350-pound car from ten miles per hour to top speed in high gear. Just four V16 convertible sedans were built in 1939. This car did not begin life as one of them, but it is an faithful re-creation of the rarest production model of that year.   

       
[ Photos: © 2008 and courtesy Hyman, Ltd. ]

(1940) A. Edmonds, FL [CLC Directory, 2002]

9029

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9029

?

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9029

?

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Harold Le May collection [Photo:  Internet ?]

9033

#1

5270005

           
[ Photos:  courtesy Olivier Bachmann ]l

9033

#5

5270007

   
[ Photos: courtesy of the owner ]

(1938) R. Hannay, AZ [CLC Directory, 2002]

#28

5270092

Real car, but dummy W.C. Fields and lady friend

      
[ These photos:  © 2004 and courtesy Howland Blackiston ]

(1938) [not previously listed here] Was sold by RM Auctions at their Amelia Island venue in March, 2008, for $46,750

(1938) R. Robin, CA [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) Formerly owned by Malcolm Willits, CA [CLC Directory, 2002]. The engine for this car is currently [2004] being rebuilt by CLC member, Terry Wenger, for use in his own 1938 V-16 style 9039 (below). He said in March, 2003: I am rebuilding 5270124 engine block to replace the badly cracked one in my 9039, 5270178. This fine V-16 survivor was offered for sale on eBay in May, 2004. It was described as basically an original car, with over $40,000 recently spent on mechanical and cosmetic refurbishing. The car is located in New Paltz, New York, about 100 miles north of NY City. Interested buyers should contact the current owner, Richard DiFiglia, days, at 1-800-458-4574. For more information, go to www.OldV16.com. Late Extra [December, 2006]: Enthusiast Paul Imrisek pointed out that the car was for sale again by The Vault Classic Cars in Anaheim. CA for $94,500! N.B.: body #44 has been changed to #41 after seeing a photo of the original body tag. Latest [10/2007]: the car is advertised in CCCA (10/2007) as a 38-9023 (is this a mistake?)

9033

#65

?

(1938) J. Healy, FL [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) Again, according to a list of survivors prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite, this one was owned in 1963 by C. Paul Schaffer of Culver City, CA. Later it went to the Pate Museum in TX and in 2005 it was owned by R. McGowan of CT. Latest [2/2008]: This from the new owner, Chris MacAllister: I purchased the 1938 V16 from Bobby McGowan a couple years ago.  This car is in need of restoration and is partially disassembled.  Complete, pretty much rust free and available.  It came out of the Pate collection in Texas.  It is still titled in their name.  Picture attached [below]. Chris' car has a little over 46K miles on the odometer.

[ Photo: © 2007 and courtesy Chris MacAllister ]

9033

#84

5270267

9033

#6

5270269

9033

#86

5270269

(1938) R. Snyder, CA [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) G. Kahn, WA [CLC Directory, 2002]; the previous owner, according to a survivor's listing prepared in the early sixties by CLC member, the late Bill Tite, was R. Philips of Delmar, NY.

9033

?

?

9033

?

?

[photos to be added ]

(1938) W. La Fronz, NJ [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1938) R. Stearns, IA [CLC Directory, 2002]

(1939) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, one of these was reportedly owned by Carson Bell, Pasadena, CA. This car was owned by Victor Fink; it was featured in an AQ article; body and engine numbers from Terry Wenger; I saw this car in Denver, CO, in August 2001, on the occasion of the CLC Grand National Meet there; the car is still in Colorado. It is mentioned also in SIA #92, April, 1986. Offered for sale at one time by the Kruse auctioneers, this imperial touring sedan was said to be brown (?) and was described as a beautiful restored classic. Terry Wenger tells me it is currently (2005) owned by D. Fitzgerald of North Glen Dodge in CO.Terry Wenger tells me it is currently (2005) owned by D. Fitzgerald of North Glen Dodge in CO and is now painted dark blue.

  
Photo (left):  Automobile Quarterly; (right) CLC Grand National, Denver, CO [2001]

9033

#4

5290003

5290007

5290030

5290043

[ Photo source: unknown ]

   
I am wondering what that "thing" is, on the roof above the driver's compartment (right); any ideas, Chris
[ This photo and the enlargement (right): © 2007 and courtesy Chris MacAllister ]

5290065

5290101

9033

#54

5290119

This may not be that specific car, but the tail lights
identify it most assuredly as a 1939 version

?

?

9033

(1939) R. Long, RI [CLC Directory, 2002]. According to Terry Wenger, this engine (formerly a spare engine owned by a friend and V-16 aficionado in RI) is now used in CLC member, Richard Long's 39-9033. Terry said also that it was mounted originally in a 39-9023 with body #15.