#3

700130

Info from Rick LeForge

#29

700156

Formerly owned by a Mr. Sanders. Info from Rick LeForge

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700333

This one is in France; I read an article about it in a French auto magazine at the home of a friend, in Switzerland, in October 1999 [this may be the car owned or restored by Paris' André Le Coq]

   
Same car, different lighting conditions ?

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[700416]

The VIN is that of a replacement engine.  The owner, Jack Wade, believes the original VIN was 703052. This info from enthusiast Chris Cummings.

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700482

This car is pale blue and maroon. The body reportedly was taken from a V-8 Cadillac and put on this V-16 chassis and drive train [formerly a Fleetwood style #4330 limousine for 5 passengers]. In July 2007, it was advertized for sale by the Imperial Palace in Las Vegas, with a $450,000 price tag.  This was the poster car for the CCCA Museum at Hickory Corners, in 1989. Among its previous owners were Dee Howard and Sam Vaughn [material for this entry provided kindly by V-16 owner, Chris Cummings]. The new owner, Aaron Weiss, made himself known to me in February, 2008.

       
[ Photos: Internet, 12/2000 ]

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700697

Black and silver body with red leather interior. Rebuilt by Marc Ohm

700720

       
[ Photos:  Internet, 5/2006 ]

   
[ These two photos: © 2005, 2008 and courtesy Andy Chrisanfov ]

700809

701432

It is rare to see one in this configuration, i.e.   with
the standard artillery wheels and no sidemounts

       
These 2 rows:  after the restoration completed in 2001

[700917]
702368

         
[ Photos:  Internet ]

700964

700965

[ photo ? ]

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701031

       
"Before" and "After"   pictures of what is believed to be one and the same car

   
This car?
[ Photo: © ConceptCarZ - Internet ]

701056

701070

   
The car before restoration

The restored car, on a snowy day
[ Photo:  Internet, June 2005 ]

On the list of survivors prepared by Rick LeForge, a Mr. Markley owned this car.

Rick LeForge says the original phaeton body (#98) was destroyed and a roadster body (style #4302) was later mounted on this chassis.

(701658)

701877

701954

702070

702104

702137

702338

702414

   
[ Photos: © The Huff Report ]

[702891]

   
[ Photo (left):  Kruse auction catalog]

   
Photo (left):  © 2002, Larry Wright
Photo (right) CCCA Classic Car magazine [is it the same car ?]

This car?

703118

   
[ Photos: © 2004, Hyman Ltd., Classic Cars, St. Louis, MO ]

#94

703165

   
[ Photos: © Dick Gold and AACA ]

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703223

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Jack Tallman, a friend and Cadillac dealer Decatur, IL, owned this one; it was the New York Spring Auto Show car; acquired by Inglis Uppercu, the New York Cadillac dealer it went to a California collector, then to Jack. Its restoration is described in SS, 4/64. CLC member Rick Carroll is shown as the owner in AQ, for the fourth quarter 1984. In the late fifties this car starred in the movie Tarnished Angels

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This car was seen at the annual Barrett-Jackson auction in January 1998;  it is red-red-red. Could it be the one belonging to Frank and Milli Ricciardelli of Monmouth Beach, N.J., as seen at the 24th Annual Meadowbrook Concours d'Elegance

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Dick Kughn [current or former owner?}

Dick's roadster is shown here with optional rain curtains

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Looks like a regular Fleetwood  #4302 roadster on the outside, but this one
got a makeover and a score more instruments, making it  quasi-automatic
[ Photos:  courtesy Special Interest Automobiles ]

 

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CLC Member Ray Jones of Birmingham, MI, had this car for sale in the SS classifieds in June, 1969; the asking price was $15K.  It was described as "original in all respects" and in "good condition".  Where is it today ?  

R. Ames, TX [CLC Directory]  

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D. Anderson, TX [CLC Directory, 2002]; car is silver and maroon

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HBI Financial, WA [CLC Directory, 2002]

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J. Bradley - a black beauty with a light-colored belt molding ( this one was photographed by Canadian enthusiast, Stephen Nadon, at the 1997 Meadowbrook Concours d'Elegance)

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P. Maloof, NV [CLC Directory, 2002]

R. McGinnis, CA [CLC Directory]  

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J. Moir, NH [CLC Directory, 2002]

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J. Scott, TX [CLC Directories, 2002, 2008]

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H. Strohecker, PA [CLC Directories, 2002, 2008]

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Robert Thayer, GA [The Classic Car, Autumn 2001 - Ex-Harrah ?]; CCCA "Senior" car #2388

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G. Tinney, MI [CLC Directories, 2002, 2008]

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D. Underwood, WA [CLC Directories, 2002, 2008]

J. Wade, Jr. LA [CLC Directory]  

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This one appears to have the short rear body (lower row, LH side), identifying it as a style #4312.  I believe all the images here show the same car although the angle views could be of Fleetwood style #4325. Hard to tell.

  

   
These photos could all be of one and the same car   - who can confirm it?

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700492

I believe this is the car formerly owned by J. McMullen, MI [CLC Directory, 2002].  It was auctioned in June 2007 by RM Auctions, in Lapeer, MI. The reported selling price was a hefty $374,000 !  In a recent You-Tube clip with Larry King, the new owner was reported to by the singer-star, Kid Rock

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One of them is registered to R. Greene, NJ [CLC Directory]

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I'm not sure if this car actually survived. It belonged to the grandmother of one-time Database visitor, Alan Brander of Phoenix, AZ. Alan's mother learned to drive in the car; now THAT is something else! The Branders were residents of the Chicago area in the thirties and were friends of the J.P. Morgans and Vanderbilts. Alan sent many photos of the car and many details about his family's life and times; sadly they were lost in a computer melt-down I suffered a few years ago, as was also Alan's address and e-Mail. The two photos below were supplied kindly by fellow CML [Cadillac Mailing List] member, Norm Zabala, with whom Alan had been also in touch around the same time as me.

   
These are truly exceptional family photos and  I am devastated that I lost many others like them in a computer crash!

I first learned about this car in the Australian CLC magazine, La Cad, special issue for 2004 (the "rally" edition). Author and friend Maurice Hendry [Cadillac - The Complete History] related the full story when we visited him in Auckland in February the following year. The car was purchased second-hand from Don Lee in SF, in 1933, by Sir Jack Newman of NZ's Newmans Coachlines. It was converted to RHD by Lance Dixon [later Dixon Cadillac] in SF. After about 10 years, Newman sold it to a Mr. Gould who replaced the sedan body with a station wagon body; in that configuration, the car was used for many years as a people-hauler on the hilly route between Nelson and Tekaka. In the fifties, it was acquired by Barrie Grand.  Maurice himself found the original sedan body and helped Barrie mount it back on the chassis; he kept the car for some 50 years then sold it for NZ$140,000 to the World of Wearable Art Museum  in Nelson, where Gita and I were able to admire it in March 2005, through the kindness of  Garry Orton, the museum curator [I tried to photograph the body tag  but it came out fuzzy -  the body number was supplied later by the Museum's Richard Grimes, via V-16 enthusiast, Chris Cummings].

The original limousine was converted to this "station wagon"
and used as a "bus" by Newmans Coachlines in New Zealand

  
Barrie Grand and Maurice Hendry restored the original body to the car
Photos: courtesy Garry Horton, World of Wearable Art Museum
© 2005, Gita Saunders

#9

700163

This one is mentioned in a Self Starter issue of 1963. At that time it belonged to CLC member Norman Taunton.

#95

700482

Formerly owned by  Jack Finden (info from Rick LeForge). The chassis and drive train from this 5-pass. limousine apparently were coupled with  a roadster body from a V-8 Cadillac.   A V-16 roadster [style 4302] just happens to be worth a whole lot more money [even a re-body, like this] than a sedan !

#45

702861

Aficionado Chris Cummings of Virginia writes :  I have become the new owner of Cadillac V-16 Series 4330 imperial sedan, engine #702861.  The build sheet says that the car was sold new as a “rush order” to Prather Cadillac LaSalle Company in Dallas, Texas. The car had a heater (register in rear compartment only) and a radio, neither of which remain, unfortunately. But this is an exceptionally well-preserved example of one of the large V-16 sedans (in a body style of which 50 were made). Three prior owners ago, Bob Schill in New Hampshire had begun a restoration (removed and repainted fenders, hood and sills, rebuilt the engine) when Jim Bradley of Edmund, Oklahoma, bought the car to serve as a reference while he and his brother restored a V-16 roadster (Engine # 700809). He put the fenders etc. back onto the car, finished putting the engine back together (manifolds and carburetors hadn’t been reattached) and sent the chrome parts (together with those from the roadster) to be re-plated. The better looking re-plated parts went onto the roadster. New tires were installed and the undercarriage was detailed. Then he sold it to Lawrence Smith of Wichita, from whom I bought the car. Apart from the foregoing items, the car is original. The upholstery has some holes and worn spots, but on the whole it is quite presentable. My predecessors decided not to re-upholster the car, but to preserve the original character of the interior.

   
[ Photo (right): Dan Reed, Self Starter, 1/2006 ]

               
[ Photos:  Internet Web site - eBay and Self Starter ]

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J. Asterino, WV [CLC Directory, 2002]

#99

700476

Formerly owned by Ronald G. Renaldi. Info from Rick LeForge [listed earlier, in error, as limousine style "4330"; thanks to enthusiasts Chris Cummings for the correction]. The low engine number matched with a high body number suggests a possible change of engine or body. Enthusiast Chris Cummings is going to have a closer look.  This car was offered at auction on Ebay in June, 2007. On a scale of 1 to 10, the vendor rates it at "about 6.5".  It is in excellent restorable condition.  The body is in great shape as well as the interior. The engine "turns over" (?) but needs a distributor cap [it appears to have acquired along the way a second-generation distributor cap; on first generation distributors, ignition cables exit through the side of the cap]. This vehicle was built in March of 1930. Restored, the vendor believes it could bring in excess of $175,000.00. In fact, the car was sold on Jun 19, 2007 for $78,200.  Apparently the buyer was a gentleman from Spain.

           
Owing to the car's location it has not been possible to get a full-view of it
[ Photos:  Internet, June 2007 ]

#27

701467

Formerly owned by the late Jim Pearson. Info from Rick LeForge.

#76

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This body tag came up for sale on eBay. The vendor said he used parts of this body to create a convertible coupe.  Anyone have the engine VIN  that matches this body number? The data plate was supplied kindly by enthusiast and V-16 owner, Chris Cummings [VIN 702861, car #45]

#95

701658

Formerly owned by Elmer Franson.  Info from Rick LeForge.

700917
[replaced by
702368]

#285

702415

This one may or may not have survived.  V-16 enthusiast Chris Cummings came across this interesting letter in the Self Starter for September, 1972.  It's from CLC member,   T.L. Tallentire of Aurora, IN:

Dear Fellow Member of the Cadillac-LaSalle Club, I should like very much to find out what happened to my father’s 1930 (?) Cadillac V-16 sedan, Type 452-A, Engine #702415 Job # 4330S, Body # 285 (I put the question mark after the year because my father purchased the car used, Aug. 1, 1932, and there is no mention of the year on the receipt that we have.)  I am going to send this letter to everyone listed in the club directory as owning a V-16 or V-12, with the hope that somehow I may just run across someone who has some knowledge of the car.  Of course, I hope that it still exists somewhere, but the odds are that it was cut up for scrap. My father, a Cincinnati attorney, drove the car regularly until 1941, and after that it was parked out here at our country home for a few years.  I can well remember riding in it as a little boy, and later on playing in it.   If only my father could have been able to see into the future and recognize its potential value!  In about 1945 (perhaps a year earlier or later) the caretaker sold it for my father to some man from Lawrenceburg , Ind. (or possibly from rural Dearborn County ,) who claimed that he wanted to use it for a taxicab.   I feel sure this idea was never carried out!  What high rates he would have had to charge in order to make any money, with that 16 cylinder gas-guzzler! We never heard anything more about the car, and I suppose it ended up in some obscure junk yard.   However, I wonder if someone might have been poking around in junk yards, looking for old Cadillac parts, and might possibly have kept some notes on serial numbers of cars he found in them?  Could there just possibly be someone in the country who knows something about the fate of old # 702415 (yes, it had a name, “Charlie!”)   “Charlie” was painted a dark green (Brewster?) and had some black trim.   This was the original Cadillac paint job.   It had no glass division between front and rear seats, and the front seat was upholstered in the same kind of cloth as the rear seat.  The 4330S, of course, was a “Standard” Fisher body (or Fleetwood.)  If any member should happen to know anything about the car, or know of any non-member who might, I hope that he will get in touch with me.  Any information will be most sincerely appreciated. Does   anyone know for sure if it is still around ?

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702946

Formerly owned by Dave Towell, Cadillac dealer of Akron, Oh.  Info from Rick LeForge.

#282

703002

Formerly owned by "Cadillac Jim" Pearson.  Car was totaled by a train. Info from Rick LeForge. Today the remains are used for parts.

#408

702785

J. Wade, Jr., LA [CLC Directory, 2002] Late Extra [3/2007]: This came in from V-16 owner-enthusiast, Chris Cummings: Attached is a picture of Jack Wade, Jr. and his 1930 Series 4330S sedan taken in the mid 1990s in New Orleans .  Jack has had the car since 1962, when he bought it from a fellow in West Pecos, Texas.  The Cadillac’s engine number is 702785 and the body number is 408.  Jack and his wife used to drive the car regularly in highway traffic along the Gulf coast.  It’s been garaged for some time, but Jack hopes to get it out and drive it in the near future, once he finishes the post-Katrina cleanup at his place.  The sunshade for the windshield was removed when it became loose while Jack and his wife were driving through the edge of a hurricane.  He has it in his office, but the brackets need replacement. Jack also has a V-16 roadster (body number 92) with a replacement engine in it (number 700416).  He thinks the original engine number was 703052, and he’s had that car since 1961. Jack is a delightful fellow and he said he didn’t mind if I shared the picture.

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One of these was offered for sale in the Self Starter classifieds, in 1963, by a Wilber F. Sanders of Detroit, MI. Described as 100% complete, the vendor was asking for offers "around" $3,700!

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T. Baganz, MI [CLC Directory, 2002]

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D. Holtzman, MI [CLC Directory, 2002]

This one was brought to my attention by V-16 owner-enthusiast, Chris Cummings.  The car was offered for sale in December, 2006, by RM Auctions; the price estimate was between $200K and $240K. The red, orange and maroon Pennsylvania-bodied convertible coupe sold January 19, 2007. The new, happy owner is Brent Merrill.

[ photos to come ]

When new, this car listed between $5900 and $6475.  This survivor was formerly (?) owned by a Mr. Johnston A. Bowman of Evanston, IL; it has six wire wheels, chrome ports, Credinga green hood and cowl, emerald green moldings, fenders. Original cost with options was $6630. This Pennsylvania-built model was no longer offered after October 1930.

   
[ Photos:  Nicky Wright ]

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702025

Possibly G. Choban, OR [CLC Directory, 2002]. A car like this one, located in the Seattle area, was offered for sale on eBay in May, 2004. Ad said vehicle was restored in 2001 and has about 100 miles on it since restoration. Engine and transmission were rebuilt by a Cadillac expert with 60 years of experience with these cars. Suspension, brakes, gauges, chrome all are excellent. The  paint is burgundy and silver, done by a multiple Pebble Beach winner. This car scored 99.5 points at the CCCA Grand Classic and won first in class, most elegant and best of show at the prestigious Forest Grove [Oregon] concours d'Elégance. This is one beautiful car ! The selling price was $177,100 ! Late extra [October, 2002]: This from V16 enthusiast Johan Boltendal: Forgot to mention it last time, but the '30 V-16 CCP from Ebay you list is a different story. At first it was advertised and sold for the $ 177,500.00. It turned up again on Ebay about 2-3 weeks later from the same seller. In the description  was added this time, "RE-BODIED FROM A COUPE IN THE SIXTIES". The rest of the ad was exactly as before. The reserve was set at $ 122,000.00 and the car was (apparently) bid to $ 122,500.00; it was later withdrawn and there was no sale. There have been questions on the CCCA Web site about the status of a re-bodied V-16 convertible coupe from some one who had considered buying such a car. So I think this "fake"¹ one is still for sale.  Late extra (8/2005)  from enthusiast Chris Cummings:  the car has again been offered for sale again, this time for $225,000  ( www.significantcars.com)

   
[ Photos:  Internet, 5/2004 ]

   
[ Photos these 2 rows: www.significantcars.com ]

¹  Jon Lee, Chairman, CCCA Classification Committee had this to say about re-bodied classic cars: While I'm not really qualified to comment on the value of a re-bodied car, I can address the Judging portion of your question. There are several different classification categories that might apply to your car. If the car is a body swap from another car of the same year, make and model it is eligible for CCCA judging. If it is a body swap from the same make but a different model, it might be eligible for judging, after application to and consideration by the Classification Committee. If the body is a new, exact replica of the original body mounted on that chassis, and replaced because the original was beyond practical restoration, it might be eligible, upon application to the Classification Committee. If the body is New Coachwork placed on this chassis, that replicates an original style, it would be eligible for all Club activities (Upon application) with the specific exception of being Judged at a National Meet.

 

#82

702089

   
[Photo, left:  Kruse auction catalog, wherein the car is described in error as a Madam X
[convertible coupe - there were no Madame X convertible styles]
[Photo, right: is a magazine cover featuring this or another survivor]

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This one was owned by Dayton Card and was featured in an article in AQ, for the fourth quarter 1984.

Jim Butler photo too >>>>>

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This unidentified car maybe one of those listed above

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J. Bohmer, MN [CLC Directory, 2002].

R. Faurot, CA [CLC Directory]  

B. Flannigan, NJ [CLC Directory]  

R. Hand, TX [CLC Directory]  

#32

701281

C. Sambeat, Spain [CLC Directory, 2002]. I met Mr. Sambeat in Zeebrugge, Belgium, on the occasion of the International European Cadillac meet organised there in the summer of 2006, by CLC member,  Dirk Van Dorst.

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J. Schultz, CA [CLC Directory, 2002].

#4

700115

Rick LeForge [SS #6, 4/1963) In an article entitled Happiness is a sixteen-cylinder Cadillac, Rick mentioned that he had three V-16s of which one was a parts car, with 50K miles on the odometer; his 4355 limousine [this car], featured on the cover was one of 6 prepared for the NY auto show. It was able to leave the tour in LA. A previous owner was Haswell Parker. The car is bright yellow and the interior was still original in 1963. It has the original roll-up division, opera seats and intercom.  Rick contacted me in Feb. 2006, after seeing his former car in this, the survivors' roster.  he wrote: I am the Rick LeForge you noted in your listings. "Ole Yaller" is Style 4355 Body 4 Engine 700115 . I usually give my cars names. "Old Yeller" was a 1957 Disney movie about a boy and a dog named Old Yeller. I traded this car to Jim Pearson - See my article in SS "Turn Left at Tucumcari." Jim in turn sold the car to J. B. Nethercutt and it is now part of the Merle Norman Museum. Yeller ran so well, that for a few years it was my go-to-meets car. I felt it was so reliable that we drove it to Kansas City, KS.

[ Photo: © 2002, J. Scott Harris ]

   
This one [2-tone green] was photographed at the 2002 Grand National in Detroit.  Is it the same car?

#13

700537

This one was owned by John McMullen, 2103 E. Newark Rd., Lapeer, MI 48446 (purchased for $160,000 ...although the original list price range was between $5950-$6525!); article in CLC 1/94, p.22. More recently (2004?) the car was acquired by G. Roskamp. He says the car came from Massachusetts. He is trying to trace its history. It was delivered to Don Lee Cadillac in San Francisco in March of 1930. The former owner does not remember where he bought it; it was rebuilt prior to his ownership and apparently may have had subsequent owners.

700666

Located in   Roseburg, OR, according to the listing by Rick LeForge.

700759

Per Rick LeForge, this one was previously in the Harrah collection in Reno, NV. C. Sorrell, Jr., NJ [CLC Directory, 2002]. The owner informed me in April, 2004, that this is a very original (unrestored) car in pretty good condition (no rust or serious dents).  It may have been used at one time as a swap parts source (trim, ignition lock, speedo, etc.), but that has all been taken care of.  The build sheet shows that it was ordered by Don Lee, Inc. of San Francisco on Mar. 25, 1930 and was at the loading dock at Cadillac on Mar. 29.  Except for the ignition lock, all numbers match those on the Cadillac build sheet.  It was originally painted black with lower panels of R&M Regent Maroon and carried a Gold Bronze body stripe.  The purchaser also ordered optional 7.00 x 19 Firestone tires.  The car is currently all black with red wheels but will eventually be repainted the original colors.

700966

Included as a survivor in the listing prepared by Rick LeForge. Owner shown as "Brucker".

701146

Wayne Merriman collection.  Info from Rick LeForge.

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700916

Saw this one advertised for sale in New South Wales, Australia (9/2000); it was reported to be "barn fresh" with low miles; asking price was A$120,000, negotiable

702104

Formerly owned by Wayne Merriman, the engine is believed to have been transferred into a reproduction Fleetwood style #4302. Info from Rick LeForge.

703002

Fred Weber collection [info from "Fleetwood" book by James J. Schild]

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This one was advertised for sale in the "Classifieds" section of the club's Self Starter magazine for February, 2006. It was described as a gorgeous car with an older high-point restoration, a consistent trophy winner and a reliable touring beauty. This may be one of the cars already listed above, for which I have neither VIN nor body number.

[ Photo:  Self Starter - 2/2006 ]

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Could this be the same car (older photo of survivor) ?

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This survivor is located in Brazil (2002); details sought 

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R. Castignetti, MA [CLC Directory, 2002]

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B. Kerns, WA [CLC Directory, 2002]

700499

700789

700859

      
Photos:  courtesy Clark Rittersbach, former owner

This car ?

701324

   
[ Photos:  Internet, 5/2006 ]

Although a re-body, this is still a fine looking V-16

702488

702631

Former White House car. Body was junked. Only the engine remains. Info from Rick LeForge.

702783

Body number not known.  Was formerly owned by Akron, OH, Cadillac dealer Dave Towell.  Info from Rick LeForge.

702802?
702914?

Formerly owned by my friend Olle Ljungstrom of Sweden, he sold it to Stig Andersson, of Saltsjobaden, Sweden.

70292